On Saturday, the Washington Examiner’s Tim Carney participated in a discussion on MSNBC on gun rights in reaction to the Colorado shootings, citing three different studies to the panel that found there is no correlation of stricter gun laws leading to less murders.

But Carney’s data-centric argument didn’t make any difference to the panel, as host Hayes questioned the value of the data in the studies and panelist Jill Nelson, an author, suggested that the data didn’t matter.

“To argue that there is no data that proves that guns correlates guns with these crimes that we shouldn’t do anything is absurd,” Nelson insisted.

“What is being lost if we do say you can’t have assault weapons?” Hayes asked, suggesting that it could prevent incidents like the one in Colorado.

“We just like because you know maybe this whole not prevent a ton of murders but if someone out there does want to do something horrible the loss of liberty of that AR-15 is not that big a deal,” Hayes added.